Full Tilt Poker Site Rule Broken

5.Players and observers may not discuss a hand until the action is complete. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities is not allowed.

Somebody broke this rule during a hand I was in today, while I was playing a ring game earlier, and I had pocket kings.

Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

DimonAbramov: $11 (22 bb)
Rambuster: $81.90 (163.8 bb)
w1zz321: $10.50 (21 bb)
Borilove: $60.10 (120.2 bb)
V1RAC0CHA: $50 (100 bb)
CnupToBoDker: $11.35 (22.7 bb)
Vernon T Franks: $20.20 (40.4 bb)
tango2005: $28.75 (57.5 bb)
fuppnasty: $63.70 (127.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Vernon T Franks is MP2 with K<font color='black'>♣</font> K<font color='red'>♦</font>
2 folds, CnupToBoDker raises to $1.75, Vernon T Franks raises to $3, 3 folds, Rambuster calls $2.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.25) 8<font color='black'>♣</font> A<font color='red'>♦</font> J<font color='red'>♦</font> (2 players)
Rambuster checks, Vernon T Franks bets $0.50, Rambuster folds

Results: $8.25 pot ($0.40 rake)
Vernon T Franks mucked K<font color='black'>♣</font> K<font color='red'>♦</font> (a pair of Kings) and won $7.85 ($4.85 net)

And after I reraised "CnupToBoDker" he folded then said "he has aces or he has kings" in the chat box, which would be breakig rule #5 right, then the other player "Rambuster" just didn't act he let the clock run down until it folded his hand, I bet .50 cents since "Rambuster" wasn't even plaing anymore, which made him fold. Then "Rambuster" came back for the next hand. I mean the Ram might have folded, but I dunno it was just strange for "CnupToBoDker" to say that then "Rambuster" just not act, I mean how freaking rude do you have to be... Isn't it common etiquette to not do this anyway? "CnupToBoDker" said he was mad because I min reraised him, instead of standard reraising him of 4xBet amount. Is that really an excuse?
The two players were from different countries, but who knows if tey are freinds or not, either way you can't tell your friend, or enemy, or any stranger still in the hand for that matter what you speculate someone to have.
I think maybe the only exception to this is right before you make the very last play of a hand like if someone went allin or something and it folded around to you and your the last to act, either call/fold and no more possible action after that, and if you said what you think they have right before you call....BUT I don't think you could do it, because fulltilt doesn't allow chat durig all-ins anyways.
So am I upset over something miniscule? Should I just shrug it off and go to the next game? Should I email FTP and tell them what happened? I did leave the session a couple dollars in the positive, so I am not mad about losing money, but am upset that I lost the chance to WIN MORE money posibly if that guy hadn't been so rude, or just clueless to the site rules. Or I the guy might have folded anyway, but I guess I will never know... If "CnupToBoDker" had never said anything and "rambuster" had just folded, I would not have cared, but thats not how it went down...What do you guys think about this?

I even took a SCREENSHOT of it...
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He is definitely out of line but why are you min 3 betting pre flop in the first place. Flop is standard if villain timed out. I would be more inclined to think that what he said had no impact on the ram guy, he just timed out, I do not think you have to worry about that part. You can email support but nothing is probably going to be done other than a warning or a few days chat ban.

Check back the flop. WA/WB

but the guy timed out.

I dont play that high of a limit usually, and was just being stoopid and playing scared, no hand analysis needed, yes I was playing like a donk I guess, and I was afraid the action would end if I 3xbet amount 3-bet..so I insta min reraised trying to look week/stoopid. I am more concerned about the guy breaking the rules.

The guy who said soomething folded preflop, the guy who timed out( let the clock run down) was the villian who called preflop and saw the flop with me. I believe the villian might have played more, and possibly lost more. Had I checked back he could have hit runna runna while not even playing, or if he had played he could have has 72o and hit 2 2 runna runna ftw also, so i bet to see if he was there or not, because i guess i would rather win it there then never...but thats not what this thread is about...its about the guy breaking rule 5.

I told the guy it was against the rules, and he said he doesnt understand why, and says he sees it happen all the time in many games. So I told him to read the rules.
I guess I'll just forget about it. But still think it was rude.

Gotcha. I was reading it like he timed out AFTER OP min bet, not before.

Doubt it. He likely legitimately timed out otherwise he would have called or raised your min bet. I mean the guys an idiot for talking about the hand and FTP might warn him but it's VERY unlikely that it cost you $$ in this particular situation.

I think he timed out on purpose, because after I min bet, it auto folded his hand and the next cards were dealt basically 1 or 2 seconds after, and he had checked deal me in before that because he was in the next hand. It was a ring game. So the rule breaker said he has aces or kings and then the villian just stopped acting right after he said that.

Agree with you, but it's just the mere fact it was rude of him to do it. AND if he would have just read the damn site rules he would have known not to do it. Why do people not read the rules, its so stoopid.

Some guy the other day told me he made a new account cuz his old one stopped working, like he couldnt join any tournaments, the reg now buttons were gone....So he made a new one?!?! I tried to inform him to just email support and resolve it that way, or reinstall ftp... but he didnt listen, he said he had a new email account or something. But I think he will just get in trouble if he ever tries to cash out, but he didnt listen to me.

Why don't people read the rules?

General rule to live by: People are dumb.

Would you have been so mad if he was wrong about your hand? It is stupid rule anyways. I see people do it all the time. If you go sit at a table in a casino you are aloud to talk about hand odds and what you think some one has. You cant say what you have or folded that would be rude.

I understand your frustration here. Talking about the hand is a definate rule breaker however what did you put villain on? He has raised 3.5bb preflop so he should have something and with an ace on the board this could get you into trouble.

The timing is a bit suspicious but people time out all the time cos they multi-tabling, getting coffee or just got a bad connection. He could be kicking himself cos he timed out with AJ. But then we will probly never know for sure

What the hell casino do you play at because I will avoid that one if they allow people to discuss the hand. Heres the written rule:

The following actions are improper, and grounds for warning, suspending, or barring a violator:

Deliberately acting out of turn.

Deliberately splashing chips into the pot.

Agreeing to check a hand out when a third player is all-in.

Softplaying by refusing to bet against a certain opponent whenever heads-up.

Reading a hand for another player at the showdown before it has been placed faceup on the table.

Telling anyone to turn a hand faceup at the showdown.

Revealing the contents of a live hand in a multihanded pot before the betting is complete.

Revealing the contents of a folded hand before the betting is complete. Do not divulge the contents of a hand during a deal even to someone not in the pot, so you do not leave any possibility of the information being transmitted to an active player.

Needlessly stalling the action of a game.

Deliberately discarding hands away from the muck. Cards should be released in a low line of flight, at a moderate rate of speed (not at the dealer's hands or chip-rack).

Stacking chips in a manner that interferes with dealing or viewing cards.

Making statements or taking action that could unfairly influence the course of play, whether or not the offender is involved in the pot.

Using a cell phone at the table.

Even if your in the pot say 3 handed and player A makes a bet and its on player B he should not reveal what he thinks player A is holding as it may influence how player C plays it.

If the casino you play at allows players not in the hand to discuss what they think the remaining players are holding then thats a casino I don't want to play at.

It is not a stupid rule.
How would you like it if you were sitting at a table with a few fish, and the only other decent player there starts saying things like that and the fish fold each time, would you not be pissed at the missed opportunity to get more of the fish's cash. Or if the big mouth tells the fish you are bluffing and the fish calls your all in bluff.

Rules are there for a reason whether you think they are stupid or not.

I too would like to know the name of the casino that allows this, definitely a casino to avoid.

but he came back the next hand. that meant he pyrposely timed out. if he checked and try to let dude catch a hand then bet. then he would un sitout.

I suspect what bammi is mistakenly referring to here is what he's seen on TV. When one person is all-in, and only one other person is in the hand and is thinking about whether or not to call, he will often ask "did you hit a set" or whatever. STRICTLY by the rules, that might be considered inappropriate, but it does not affect play (other than take up time) because nobody else is making a decision at that point. Of course, it is still inappropriate in that situation to state what your own hand is in order to get a reaction from your opponent. Jamie Gold got a "strict talking to" about that when he made his big run in the Main Event.

I don't see a problem when HU and last to act, as that is not going to affect the other players, but thats not what happened in the OP. Ppl not involved in the hand should keep their thoughts to themselves, who knows if the person making the comments is not affiliated with someone that is still in the hand.

No the villian just cold called my reraise, he was not the origional raiser that i reraised. the origional raiser was the one who said he has aces or kings, then folded to my reraise.. the villian was the one who timed out, calling my reraise, then the orinional raser said that, then villian did not act, then villian came back for next hand, having to click deal me in b4 nh withing 1-2 seconds, and i always look to see how many tables someone's playing using the find player feature.....the villian was sitting at THIS 1 TABLE ONLY. which makes me think he was a semi-fish at least..i could be wrong but he did not seem like a very good player to me..


I thought at casinos you are alowed to only say a hand that you did not have, being the one excepton at a few casinos. But I was told most casinos, as with any real money poker game IMO, that this was against POKER ETIQUETTE, and in the rules..



ok ALSO in my op...i said this:

I think maybe the only exception to this is right before you make the very last play of a hand like if someone went allin or something and it folded around to you and your the last to act, either call/fold and no more possible action after that, and if you said what you think they have right before you call....BUT I don't think you could do it, because fulltilt doesn't allow chat durig all-ins anyways.

...Which is what Zorba & KDS63 are saying...I don't see anythign wrong with that, even though it would technically be against the rules...and most of the time on FTP you can't talk during all-ins anyways, but there is an exception to where I have been able to talk during an allin, but I never really tred to figure out why, or what circumstances allow this, because it has never really been a issue for me.


I have never played at a Casino, and just recently started online..BUT I knew this rule...Common Sense IMO...If you know how to play poker, than you should know that telling someone else a hand/possible outs gone/ advice to someone else during a hand, or anything that YOU might have observed and taken a note on, will not benifit you if you give that info to someone else,it will benifit that other person you gave info to, and why would you want to help someone else in a game that is not team based? Not to mention it being rude.

Turn the Jerk in and let the admin. guys tweak his beak a bit.

Jerks like that CAN screw you! Saying "he has pocket aces, blah blah" first of all indicates that the blabber probably didn't have one of them!

TURN 'EM IN Frank!!!

The guys an idiot for saying anything during the hand. But the truth of the matter is nothing will be done. Losing chat for a few days or just a warning is pretty much it.

These things are pretty common now a days, especially home games and at casinos where regulars run the table. The "Party Bunch" is what I call them. You know the ones, all of the people at the table had a little too much to drink and are there to "just have fun" and laugh it up. Sharing hands, showing them to each other while in a hand. Wonderful game!

Tough break man.

Thats just bad etiquette no matter what... no one should be talking with a hand going on, not about that hand at least.

If this was in a casino I'd probably punch him in the mouth after the hand was over.

I play three diffrent casinos in Ind. I also play 4 diffrent local tornaments with 20-80 people none of them have a rule like that. You can't talk about what you folded. Rarely ever is someone been right when they mouth off. If some one chooses how to play a hand because of what some body not looking at the hand said their stupidity. I dont do it but it does not bother me if some one else does.

They way I see it its only a guess at what you have. They did not see your hand a tell what you had. I never fold or call based on what another player thinks someone else has. Never even think about it when I make MY choice. I dont think any one else does either. I think the (Villian) was bluffing in the first place and said that as a reason to fold. I think your mad cuz the other player folded too but maybe he was going to fold anyways and what he said had nothing to do with it.

Hit the hot topic. I am the only person who is not bothered by someone running their mouth about the hand. Maybe I am more layed back player. I know it a rule. Some rules are made to be broken. Some poker sites have English only chat how is that fair to none Engish speaking players. When most if not all poker sites are located out side of the U.S .

here is the problem their is nothing you can do it is a rule and he did break it but they can't give you money that u might of got and it is hard to hold someone responsible. I know he is a jerk but what if u had 6's or a worse hand. It is obvious he can't really see your cards he is just saying because you are obviously a tight player that you would need those cards to bet.

Right, didn't feel like I was owed money. just wish people would read the rules thats all.