Full Tilt moves to weighed contributed rake computation

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...9-30-a-887601/

The new way of computing MGR for rakeback accounts and the new way of awarding FTPs is at least as significant as the new black card thing.

Any idea to compute what the new rb numbers will be?

Im tring to figure this out as well.
But I have no idea where to start.

I mean PT3 has a rake stat as well as an MGR stat. If the rake stat is now my new MGR it's basically the same for me over my entire sample (rake is a few hundred higher actually). If that's not it I'm lost.

Fishes who signed up with rakeback (fishes typically don't) will see a huge increase in their RB payments.

The affiliates of fishes who signed up without RB are opening champagne bottles at this very moment.

Regs will all lose some rakeback. Some regs have started to post their numbers at 2+2 and MGR computed using weighted contributed is typically 75% of MGR computed using dealt method. This will be compensated to some extent by the fact you get more FTP points, especially for 6max and HU players. RB from points is worth 8.3% (dealt) for a black card holder. Getting black card will actually be significantly easier with the new way points are awarded.

7/5 nits are screwed very significantly and should all move to Pokerstars.

Thanks !

so the rakeback grinding 16 table super nits are getting creamed by this? I like the FTP changes, tho I'm curious how the rake changes will affect me overall.

All the winning players are losing some RB. Nits are just losing a lot more than laggish ones.

There no way to both play a winning game and be a net winner from the move from dealt rake to weighted contributed.

I suck anyway.
Im just going to continue focusing on my winrate.


If I make rakeback? Great!

So I can't just use the "rake" stat from PT3???

I would like to understand the impact on my rakeback ,on the upside I play a lot of 6 max and Sit and goes and very little full ring. On the cash games though I am definitely tighter than most. I guess I will know just by looking in a few weeks though

Full tilt say they are implementing the changes to give a fairer distribution? does this seem likely or is there some not quite obvious profit based reason for the change

I would have thought that this would really impact on rakeback if you play tons of super tight Rush ring games. One less reason to play the evil joke version of the game

the change gives back more money to fishes and less to regs. Since fishes play until they're broke and regs cash out, this leaves more money in the games and FTP wins.

I have my windows dragged smaller and now the corner number on the 5's look like 6's. Can someone verify this on thier accounts?

My Full Tilt was down, i thought there were problems / issues lol. But then i heard about the changes, they will be better from now on for MTT/SNG players now ?! Hope so, because i am no cash fan ! And the black card is coming...

you appear to be right

Looks the same for me too.

It wasn't always like this.

Get a card mod guys. Stock FTP cards suck.

Ok just created a custom stat in PT3 to figure this out.

Under the old system my MGR through today is $20,247.47 or $5,417.90 in rb.

Under the new system my MGR would have been $19,004.99 or $5,131.35 in rb.

So the new system is effectively cutting my rb from 27% to 25.3%.

I don't currently get enough points for black card so unless the new points scheme covers a few % points of rb the net effect on me is negative.

Thanks FTP, great new "rewards" scheme you've got here.

Custom Stats attached as zip file (WC Rake Paid and WC Rakeback (27%)) for any PT3 users who want them.
WC PT3 Stats.zip (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32843&d=1285871485)

Seriously why tf did FTP make this so difficult. I have no fking idea if this contrubuted system along with BC will benefit me. I currently avg 850 pts/day (over 100day rolling system) so I qualify for BC. Im playing $100nl rush full ring at 15/11. I get 27% rakeback, so what the hell will I end up with now. I suspect this new BC thing is one big fail of a promo!

I dont have rakeback and dont play much cash on Tilt, but would be annoyed if I did. Probably change the site I played on

I hate sites where its contribution based. Most used to be just if you was dealt a hand now one by one are becoming contribution based. Good for the maniacs, bad for the ones trying to earn rakeback or deposit bonuses

WOuld it affect people who played ante games like Stud//Stud8/Razz

I think this will be a lot better, this'll also make me wanna play haeds up more. But what is the Black Card program? They say nothing about this?

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/black-card/faq

Achieve a minimum 500 Full Tilt Point daily average over a 100-day rolling period to earn your Black Card. Learn more.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=208

For me, it's like dropping from 27% rakeback to 23.5% rakeback. BC adds about 3% RB afaik, so in the end it should change nothing.

15/11 is probably super LAG for FR rush, though, so you're probably going to make more $$

So as a SNG player, I now earn 10 FTP's per $1 of rake, but still earn $0.27 in rakeback, is that correct?

Yes. Your MGR will not be effected AND you'll get more points. Seems fair.

Cheers Belgo, Ill see if I can get it to work. Hope you're enjoying my rakeback

http://www.pokertableratings.com/blo...ards-the-nits/

Might be useful to some people. The old method significantly benefited tighter players as you can see from the table.

Belgo has pretty much nailed it here but adding my own bit. It'll be a pretty huge difference to some people but it will be more "fairly distributed" if you want to call it that. The more rake you generate the more you get back. Fishes then.

Typically, for a TAG reg, you have

dealt rake > actual paid rake > weighted contributed rake

the above link confirms that for TAGs, dealt > actual. And much more so for nits. But the move by FTP goes too far in fixing that. Instead of making it fair, they make it so that they tax winning players in order to give money back to the fishes (for the very few who signed up with RB) or to their affiliates.

So I guess if we all become aggro spewtards it's a win win. I don't think I should have too many problems there imo, that's to say I'm a spewtard!

I just did a 100nl 6max session playing 24/19 and 3betting 8%. Dealt rake, rake paid and weighted contributed rake were pretty much identical, so that would more or less be the break-even point for RB%. On the other hand you win a shitload of FT points at 6max now, so that's an improvement.

isn't cancelled out by the non-rb fish? won't they end up just paying more rake to fulltilt taking money out of the game?

Only a matter of time before they go to the way of no rake at all.