Does full tilt poker have bots?

what is all this propoganda i hear about online bots. I am very interested and am wodnering if it is going to affect how i play. I would hate to see online poker be dominated by fake "players"

Yes I am Bot, see my thread by that name.
Sry have to go, my batteries are running down.

I would imagine all online poker sites have bots at times. Any time there is a chance to make money people will try to cheat. However I do think that most if not all (well at least the big ones)sites do everything in their power to stop bots.

I agree, I'm sure something can always slip through, but if you're on a reputable large site they will do their best to prevent any cheating because the more fair their games are, the more we will be willing to trust them with our money. And in full ring non-fixed limit play I have my doubts about how good a bot would be against an observant player anyway.

...there are no bots (save makwa ) .....
If some players play like weirdos - it's just them being weird.

Bots have been found on many sites. There is no question that sites are monitoring play and watching out for the little guy. However, it's a fact that bots have been found on certain sites.

Lefty

Im sure there are bots because i sure get beat by them you think you win and all of the sudden you lose your whole bankroll

If you lose your "whole bankroll all of a sudden", you aren't following good bankroll management practices. Sounds more like over betting with beatable hands than losing to bots.

About 'bots on Full Tilt' - here's a link to their site rules about bots, collusion, cheating, etc including info on prohibited programs (like bots). Online Poker at Full Tilt Poker - About Us: Legal Information

I indeed believe Sandar's problem to be with bankroll management. Not with bots. You should search "Bankroll Management" and read up my man.

Lefty

...ah, ok good to know....

And sorry 'bout the "decent" player yesterday...

on chat sites bot are a common thing dont know that about bots on pokersitesi hope there arent any....
check this link:Free Poker Bot - Instant Download! but i advice u not to download i personally believe it isnt a bot but a virus or so
and for the people who do use bots on pokersites....YOU STINK!

Do you realy think a multie billion a year industry would take a chance on doing something illegal.

What hasn't been mentioned is differentiating between site bots and player bots. A site bot would be one (or more) operated by the site itself to increase their profits. Player bots are those used by a player, usually in order to multi-table and play only mathematically preferred hands (in general).

Major sites have policies prohibiting bots and do not use them for their own profit either. Stars, FT and other MAJOR sites are quite capable of detecting bots and will investigate reports of suspected bot use by a player.

Site bots - no (but they do exist) - they make enough money off the rake without putting ANY bets at risk. Small, struggling sites with big budget appetites - wouldn't surprise me - and that's why I only play major sites.

Player bots - yes - they exist. Real Money Poker is gambling. With gambling come the cheats. Think you've spotted one? Report it to the site support with player ID and table info - date, time, game, etc.

I would be more inclined to worry about player-to-player cheating/collusion. Why buy a program, risk getting caught and having your account closed and money forfeited? The use of cell phones, instant messaging (IM) and any other hi-speed communication means makes player cheating a greater possibility.

I ever a question if someone you are playing at a table is real.Cheack this site. Official poker rankings.com this site gives rankings profits and a history of where the player plays on some of the biggest sites..Check it out you can even look yourself up.

How would checking OPR tell you if a player is 'real' ??

All OPR would tell you is how that 'bot' is doing. All player 'bots' would need a player ID on the site in order to get a seat and an account. OPR tracks results of play, not integrity of player accounts.

I have also thought many times about this "bot" question, but i'm on that opinion, that famous sites, like PokerStars or Full Tilt Poker, etc don't really want to do illegal moves, I think they have enaugh profit from the rake and from the tournament fees.

i have heard there are bots- but they should still be beatable in any case I'd have thought..

peoople claim they have made a program "bot" which plays poker for them. You have to think about it tho. "dominated by online bots", no way. Think about it if someone made one of these programs, the best it could do is play like the creator does. It could only play by the book. The bot couldnt say, "i think this guys is bluffing me im gonna call with bottom pair". It would only make the decision based on whats in its database. I hope there are bots, you could see a continous cycle of play over a few hands, and just rip it apart.

There was a few time's people thought I was a bot till i started chatin with them, how would u know if there was a bot at your table lol.

Speaking for the Bots, as I am one, I can tell you that we do exist. This thread is a bunch of silly speculation -- player Bots are available, for a price, just google around. If Stars or Tilt etc. catch you using one (and they have ways to do so), you will be banned. The sites do not allow the use of Bots, but also there are ways to make Bots very hard to detect.

That having been said, Bots are not big business because we dont win as much as you may think, and can be beat, particularly if a player knows they are up against one.

So yes, there are Bots, commercially available right now, but frankly they are not that good (unlike me, I am a Super or UberBot).

If you want to worry about something, focus on colluders, chip dumpers etc.. they are the ones messing up our beloved game.

And sometimes Bots can go on tilt on tilt on tilt on tilt on tilt on tilt on tilt on tilt beep beep beep beep beep

I think there used to be alot of bots. But, of course they all got eventually booted. The last bot i saw was "DeepComputer." Havent seen that guy at all lately. Buuut, i wouldnt really worry about it.

i played on a royal ,flush jackpot table for about 2 weeks untill the jp went off. And i got to know almost every regular player pretty well. Everyone played basically the same except from the occassional maniac or mouse. But there was one particular player that played completly different and over the two weeks i saw them most days. they took exactly the same time to make decisions each time and the only bet they made was allin. with nothing less than 10 10. I was not the only one sus either, the player never spoke ounce or showed any sign of thinking. had to be a bot. the funny thing was i saw them loose just as much as they won. yeah nothing to worry about atleast theyhave patterns that are easy to pick up on.

i should have known! how im issed this one i don't know. All the time youve been hiding this! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! help!

If you think there are no bots or cheats by players you are only fooling yourself. Like said earlier this is gambling and that means people are always trying to beat the system. The internet is too anonymous to trust completely. Report possible collusion, bots and even beggars. These all ruin the game for the people that just want to play.

GL on and off the felts.

im sure poekr does have bot.

Lends a whole new meaning to "I'm gonna kick your Bot" ...

Thanks for elaborating with the earlier post Nevadanick. I don't always say what I am thinking and your post was what I seen in my head but didn't put down on paper. Cheating will happen. End of story. Don't be one to get caught doing it or your life will suffer.

Lefty

Well I dont know about bots or what ever else is out there. I do know 1 thing I can not win on FT. I could get pkt AA, KK, or AK and I always get beat I just dont think Ft likes me or I'm just very unlucky there. so i guess I'll only play freerolls no more depositing there for me.

lol i do quite well on FT, i dont think theres bots and if there is i must just be very lucky to avoid them

I cannot/will not say there IS bots at FT. However, I watched (not joined) a huge playchip table with 25K/50K blinds. The Table was full and each player was "playing like a bot". There was NO chat and every bet was uniform. It would go "check" "check" "Check" "600,000" "fold" "fold" "fold" "fold" "fold". Every hand was like this with different ppl Making the raise. I cant imagine FT putting in these bots but I am a firm believer they DO exist. and mind you I only witnessed this at a Play chip table.

you guys sound like that anyone can just throw up a bot and its an instant winner because its a computer. i welcome bots, i would be willing to guess that a huge number of bots on the tables are AWFUL, bring that on and give me some money.

Gotta remember the bot is only as good as the programmer that made it and how many programmers do you know that are good at poker?

I am certain that all the main sites are riddled with bots.

You will certainly meet people who multi-table maybe sometimes 10-14 tables which is tough to do. But on Full Tilt and Pokerstars you will regularly see "people" playing 23+ tables simultaneously ! Clearly not really humanly possible and a good poker player is unlikely to play that many tables.

The sites "claim" to monitor for the use of bots but frankly I don't think they are that active or effective. Check out WinHoldem.com | Win Holdem and you will read all about how these bots avoid detection from the monitoring sites.

The bots potentially have a great advantage over the average player. They can make very quick calculations, establish the % chances of cards winning/losing, pot odds etc etc. They can monitor how other people play and overall just be good solid players. The bots can be programmed however u like and whilst it is true that some bots might be badly set up, you have to make the mental leap that if bots exist, then so do the parameters for a pretty much guaranteed solid profitable game.

The really really worrying thing with bots is that if you have more than one, and can get them on the same table then they can communicate with each other. They can share their hole cards and thus their calculations become even more accurate and effective.

Personally I think bots, plus the ease with which players can collude, plus the likelihood that there is some form of subtle and limited creative card dealing (to try and keep everyone happy and at the tables) is a key reason why poker rooms are no place for beginners. I have complained to both FT and PS about this.

There is one very simple way that the poker rooms can make the whole experience safe and fun for poker beginners and again I have made this suggestion to both sites. The answer is to introduce a set of tables that are SINGLE PLAY only. i.e you can only join the table if you are not sat at any other table. The poker sharks, the bot users and colluders will hate this as they get their $$ mostly from grinding away on loads of tables. They could sit at your single play table but I think they are very unlikely to. Its a simple solution to a big problem and I truly hope they take the idea up and soon!

I find the whole concept of sharks and bot users feeding on hapless beginners totally unfair and immoral and there is a desperate need to "clean up" online poker to make a secure and safe place . The existing micro tables don't do that because the sharks swim there all the time.

SINGLE TABLES are the way forward for all sites and should be a great advertising mechanism to bring in new players.

Watch this space ! :-)