Does anyone else want this on sites?

I really wish they had an all-in confirm(fold confirm would be nice too) feature for PL and NL games + a 5 second timer for stud games.

I mean, like it's not bad enough we can't see our opponents and hear their voices there are these extra elements which can be a real problem. Accidental calls bite and they can happen for different reasons. One person at CC wound up all-in because of their cat. Tell me you haven't clicked call all-in while trying to click to box to check/fold or call for smaller with odds. I'd just like to be able to confirm that my actions are intended.

Then when playing stud games(especially in tournaments for very little or no loot) people are sitting out or auto-folding. Their hands fold faster than you can register the up cards(key part of playing stud is of course keeping track of cards as they're dying). A little 5 second(even just three seconds would be a big help) timer pre-action would up the quality of the game.

Am I alone in this? Are there other ideas you wish sites would impliment? Joke answers like(prohibiting donkeys from play won't be ignored, but they obviously won't be taken seriously either).

I do see the plus side in it but sometimes the games are so slow I think the confirm would be an added delay. I prefer fast tables.
Maybe if they had special rooms for those that want that it would be cool, but I personally wouldn't want it.

i def hear what u are saying.. My first thought would be that the software on most sites is what it is and there not gonna change it.. Also the software has been the same for years now and it would discourage players and confuse ppl who are used to multi-tabling used to one certain regiman. Check, call, raise, or fold. Pretty standard in live games and ur not asked to confirm every time its ur turn to act.

On the stud games I actually agree that Id like to see the face up cards before there auto folded. On that statement i defenitely agree.. While the sitters are allowed to sit out there cards remain to be a big aspect of the outcome of each hand to the player. This is a software problem Iam sure could be addressed but i could be wrong...

Good topic discussion OP imo

i play on fulltilt. and i hate the location of the preaction call/check box. if i try to preclick call and the guy gos allin i sometime end up calling and allin when i only meant to call a small amount. so i think they should change the location of the box.

from the perspective of someone playing a lot of tables of SNGs this feature would basically mean that I would end up with RSI twice as quickly (and games would be noticeably slower).

Id agree with you.. My question is whats ur stand on stud games.. Different from NLHE and PLO. I dont imagine u would mutli table stud as u surely have to see the up cards. The concentration level would be quite a bit more demanding

Do you think they could ever change the software in the stud games when it comes to sitters. ?

The OP brings up a good point to as the up cards are mucked mighty quick.

Curious as to what u think DM

the thing with the stud idea is is that everyone at the table is at the same disadvantage with regard to cards being quickly mucked and so again the only real effect would be slowing down the game.

sites aren't likely to want to slow down their games because (a) their core players won't like it and more importantly (b) slower games = less rake.

I understand exactly what your saying.. But is that three second delay on games with up cards, pertaining to sitters gonna really kill the action all that much.. These games are frequent but certainly not close to plo or nlhe..Iam sure if u or I got a few extra seconds to survey a sitters up cards in a game we wouldnt be emailing support.

But i do understand that is just my opinion and some ppl wouldnt like it

I'd like Ultimatebet to fix their software so that when you push 'enter' to chat, you don't accidentally raise or worse, go all-in, when you're only trying to comment on the last hand played! It cost me over 14,000 chips once when I pushed enter to comment! As far as I know, no other place...PS, FT or CB...do this!

The best idea for a confirm button would be to add it as an option. I guess there hasn't been much if any demand for it so that's why it's not there.

I played on NoIQ for about the last year, they had great free rolls (which have since disapeared), and they DO have the "all in confirm" button. I found it really annoying, having to press a "Are you sure" button after clicking the AI button.

I have clicked the allin button a couple of times accidentally, when multi-tabling, or just having multiple apps open I learned my lesson, and now when I switch to another table / app, I click on the middle of the table.

As for the time out thing, I just started playing some of the mega huge field freerolls on Stars, and I think it's really stupid that (it seems) that the time-bank automatically kicks in right after the usual 15 second timer times out.

Combine that 1 minute (??) timer bank, with limit games combined with 5-9,000 person fields and you get ludicrously long ~8hr tournaments ... where the prize is an entry to a tournament ?

why not just take a screen shot after the cards are dealt? this way you would have an advantage over the others that can't keep track of the cards as there folded too fast. i was thinking of doing this while playing razz just never that into it.

I thought of that too. Problem is, if even the first few players insta-fold you're pretty much in the same position you were when you didn't take a screen shot. The cards are dealt and folded so quickly that you don't have a chance to take the screen shot + someone who's not used to keeping track totally in their head would probably get stuck again when people insta-fold in later betting rounds.

It's not nearly as tough keeping track with razz as it is for the other stud variations where you're trying to build real hands and keep track of your outs.

I like the idea. Especially when you're multitabling and accidentally fold K-K because the screen popped up where the mouse was.

I was just saying the same thing the other day. Def a needed thing

Just because everyone has the same disadvantage doesn't mean they should. Also, when I first started playing stud I had a bad habit of folding junk way too fast. It's not the sort of thing you even think about until you've played it for awhile.

I don't know that a few extra seconds time will cost all that much in rake for the sites. I know that when I'm crippled because of the speed at which the folders folded(I can even have all the 3rd street cards memorized but have players insta-folding 4th or 5th), it actually slows down my own decision making process. I'm taking more time than I should have to take to make up my mind. On top of that others who are actually using their heads are in the same pickle and taking too long(plenty of times we use up our timebanks just trying to remember a few cards that were folded too quickly for us to properly register them in our heads).

It's the darnedest thing, people love to gripe about bad play, but when something that's suggested that could help with accidental bad play, it's bad because it affects the serious multi-tablers?

What if it was purely optional and you had to turn it on rather then off? Would it be so bad then?

I'm just trying to figure it all out.

Together with the other tables running this would bloat my whole screen and I'd need 2 min to unravel the mess in the back of my desktop....

To the op:

Even 1-2 seconds would be enough imo, now it's more 1/10 of a second.

I multitable alot but find it hard to play more than 4 tables at the same time because at least one or two are horse/razz/stud sngs/mtts

- and on different sites too, giving me extra problems with popping up windows (deactivated that) and "all in / fold button" areas.

My solution was to play 4 tables max and to adjust the size of the windows manually.

Some sites offer a "hide all in" button feature - you might try that.

Good question imo btw.

I absolutely agree, we should have the choice, and turn it off if you don't like it.

I 'almost' never pre-click any of the action buttons period.

I like the “Fold and Show” feature of some sites.

I like the “Are you sure you don’t want to check instead of fold?” on stars.

I can’t wait to see who is the first to offer Live video feed tables. You’ll have to be a confirmed live video ping from the corresponding web address and there will be a financial perk to play these tables, so as to promote the technology. It will permit a player to see the fidgeting bluffer. lol

Good points. I mean all I really want in stud games is enough time for my eyes to even focus on the up cards. I don't see what's so bad about that, and maybe 1-2 seconds is enough. I don't think we can hide the call all-in button. I still haven't played where it doesn't pop up where you can check your actions ahead of time. It's not normally a problem if I'm only playing one table at a time, even 2 I can almost keep up with and not have to check any little boxes. I just can't do it at 3 or more tables(and I do like to play multiple tables form time to time).

I also would like to see this, it would be fun! You could even try to act like your bluffing when you have the nuts! I wonder if they would allow hats and sunglasses. lol

Or the bizarre phenomenon of hoodies with baseball caps underneath? Bit of overkill if u ask me, but then nobody asked me :P.

I see your point, and have mis clicked when windows pop up whilst clicking on other pages, but it would slow things down, and you would probably complain about being folded because it took too long to press confirm each time.
Besides whenver these confirm buttons are used it becomes a habbit to click them quickly and ask why there wasnt a confirm confirm as you wave goodbye to the wrong programme.

For stud play, or any other game involving face up non-community cards I would like to see the software leave the cards on screen, shadowed out to show a fold. I don't think this will ever happen though, as it would remove some strategy aspect from the game (ie. having to remember all those folded cards when you are calling on a draw).

I don't want the cards to stay up, not even shadowed. I just hate them all folding in one big sneeze.

I guess if I really want to practice stud games I'll have to do it live and for a lot more cash than I can afford to spend on poker .

Can't have everything. Still, where else am I gonna play for the teensiest stakes on the planet?

I wouldn't mind it if you could turn it on or off- and also have it to where it would default to a fold if you didn't confirm within a short period of time.

Ipersonally wouldn't use it though. If you had to do this on all all-ins, this would really cut down on the number of hands I can see an hour.

Dude, I'm all for it. It would be nice. Sometimes my math is a little slow, especially if I've had a couple cocktails!

Just like many sites' software offers the "auto muck" checkbox, there could be an "auto confirm all-in" checkbox as well. That would be simple to implement, and anyone who doesn't want the "Are you sure you want to go all-in?" confirmation window could just leave the auto confirm box checked.

Also, for many of you multitablers out there, it sounds like an "auto window focus" button could be helpful that would disregard the first mouse click or action in a window if it just got focus. That way you don't accidentally click anything when the window comes back into focus after being hidden from view.

Both of these features would be trivial for them to implement. Maybe no one's thought of them or there is just not enough demand.

-Dave

this would be a good feature for the multi tablers i dont multi table to many tables just enough that will cascade onto my monitor and not be overlapping but when overlapping happens theres alot of people that start to accidently make calls/folds that they didnt wont to so this feature would benefit multitablers but not so much the single table players perhaps adding a few tables with this feature like mentioned before would come in handy

The easy thing about razz is that not only are you not keeping track of suits, but an insignificard card will be the bring in. Only when that player is sitting out might it be a problem only if the next player is also sitting out with a low card. So not a frequent enough occurrence for concern.

Stud hi, every card may be important, even that 3 for the bring-in. Stud HL is the trickiest though, as the bring-in is the lowest card, which may not only be a part of a hi hand, but a critical card for a low. That said, I'd like to see maybe a 1 - 1.5 second fold delay here. I agree with you that the whole table has the same disadvantage and that it shouldn't be that way. Let the people who are astute enough to use that info to make good decisions have the advantage. BTW, rake is obviously not an issue in freerolls. In a cash game, if you are sitting out, you are not even dealt cards - it's not like an insta-fold, so 1) you won't miss seeing their door card, and 2) no extra time wasted, not even 1 second.

That said, I don't want to be nagged by a confirm button. If people want it as an option, fine. But if they use it, they shouldn't be allowed extra time to confirm, it should be included. IOW, if you're using the confirm, be aware you have less time to make your first decision. I also feel that if you're making too many misclicks, you are playing too many tables. Play within your means.

BTW, in stud games, I don't think you can be successful playing more that 2 tables at a time unless you tile them so they are all visible at all times. Even if so, it is mental overload if you're actually bothering to keep track of folded cards. I won't even play 2 stud games at a time. A stud and an Omaha, fine.


The big 2, PS (always shows sitting out) & FT (shows sitting out only for cash games - I think, but certainly not for freerolls). Double edged sword. We all like to use the knowledge of who is sitting out to steal or confirm position. On the other hand, at FT, sometimes I like to hit the fold button ASAP to let a bully think I'm sitting out next hand.

i would be nice to have an all in confirm or a fold in big torneys because i have folded the nuts b4 with a missclick in the 10k on ft was horrible

but in smaller games no because it would be a bigger delay and i rather play quicker because i get bored to easierly lol

as to the stud, razz ect tournys with upcards .....if there's sitters.......I'm happy they're not there and gladly accept the trade off of not neccesarily being able to see every card.... ...maybe a 2 or 3 second delay before the first betting round would be ok (not 3 seconds before each player/sitter acts/folds...and not 3 seconds each betting round...just a few seconds delay before the force bet)

but really you got time to see most of em anyhow......all cards are dealt before anyone is auto-mucked and you have same advantage/disadvantage as anyone else at the table......... only time you should miss any of em is when the force bet acts instantly (or is a sit-out) and next to act also pre-checks his action (or is sit-out).....and even then you can still see most or all of the cards if you follow as they're dealt

same as in live games....often you dont get to see a few cards as many times the card is fired to a spot where you cant readily see it ... hands or chips obscure view then they muck em .......lotta times players turn their up card face down out of turn....just cant watch 7 other players silmultaneously




as for the confirm fold/all in buttons... I dont like it....games are slow enough as it is...

I'm sure we've all misclicked one way or the other when a table pops up on our action while we were mid-click on another table.....that's just something you gotta pay attention to,
set up your tiling/cascading options and arrange your windows to minimize the chances of such things and it should rarely, if ever happen

I think most misclicks are probably the result of your mouse settings anyhow...if your mouse is set to "snap to" (auto-move cursor to default box) .....then it automatically jumps to betting buttons when a table pos up on action.....can easily shut this feature off when you begin a session

Allin and calling all in confirmation should be on sites. I have thought this before. I don't recall any huge blunders where i have made the mistake of calling an all in or going all in, however it does cross my mind.