Calling a raise when on BB

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: If dealt 5 7os on BB would you call minimum raise?
Hell no! My chips stay in my stack 8 40.00%
Yeah I'll take a look. It's only "X" amount more. 11 55.00%
Screw this. I'll raise 5x BB to set a table image. 1 5.00%
I'd do a tenbob and go all in. 3 15.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 20. You may not vote on this poll

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  #1
13th October 2006, 7:09 PM
bubbasbestbabe
 
Online Poker at: fishies.com
Game: winning
Calling a raise when on BB

Just out of curiosity, if you were dealt a 5 7os on the big blind and there was a minimum raise, would you call?
Also presuppose that you had equal or near equal amounts of chips at table.
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  #2
13th October 2006, 7:24 PM
t1riel
 
Poker at: Not Banned
Game: Holdem/Hi-Lo
It depends how much I have for chips and what the blinds are.
  #3
13th October 2006, 7:28 PM
mischman
 
Online Poker at: PokerStars
Quote:
Originally Posted by t1riel
It depends how much I have for chips and what the blinds are.
I agree with T1. If the blinds are 15/30 ill almsot always call a min. raise. If the blinds are big it depends on the level of the blinds and my chip stack.
  #4
13th October 2006, 7:45 PM
tenbob
 
Poker at: pokerstars
Game: Holdem
Gotta vote for the option with my name in it
  #5
13th October 2006, 8:43 PM
ChuckTs
 
It completely depends on mine and my opponent's table image, what stage of the tourney it is, stack sizes etc etc. It could be an easy fold for me in the early stages of a SnG to advertise my TAG image, or it could also be a reraise vs a blind stealer - it all depends.
  #6
13th October 2006, 8:44 PM
bubbasbestbabe
 
Poker at: fishies.com
Game: winning
re: Calling a raise when on BB poker

Blinds and stacks are in proportion. So what you are saying, if all being equal, that when the blinds are small you would do it but if blinds are large you wouldn't?
  #7
13th October 2006, 8:57 PM
pokrjoker
 
Online Poker at: betfredpoker
Game: holdem
how many other callers are in the pot....if im getting better than 4 to 1...i would make the call
  #8
13th October 2006, 10:54 PM
t1riel
 
Poker at: Not Banned
Game: Holdem/Hi-Lo
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbasbestbabe
Blinds and stacks are in proportion. So what you are saying, if all being equal, that when the blinds are small you would do it but if blinds are large you wouldn't?
Well, it also depends how many players called the minimum raise. If it's more than two callers, I got pot odds to call no matter what my hole cards are.
  #9
14th October 2006, 12:25 AM
mrsnake3695
 
Online Poker at: pokerstars
Game: Shakira
Yes, this is one of those, "it depends" questions. Who raised?, any reads on the raiser? Do you have any notes on what mini-raises means from this player, What is their M? What is your M? What are the size of the blinds? How many other callers? Have you seen this player make min raise and then fold to a reraise before? What is your table image? Do you think you can take the pot from him later if you miss the flop? Do you think you will be able to make any money if you hit this flop big?

I think there is too Much "it depends" here for any one answer to be right.
  #10
14th October 2006, 12:55 AM
shinedown.45
 
Poker at: pokerstars
Game: hold-em
If half or more of the players are in the hand then I would call min raise.
  #11
14th October 2006, 1:12 AM
bubbasbestbabe
 
Online Poker at: fishies.com
Game: winning
There are no it depends on this question. The table is evenly balanced chip wise. You just moved to this table. It's to you, you're last, would you call a minimum raise?
  #12
18th October 2006, 11:08 PM
loopmeister
 
Poker at: PiggsPeak
Game: holdem
re: Calling a raise when on BB poker

If my M was at least 10 and 4 other callers, I'm in; otherwise out.
  #13
19th October 2006, 1:19 AM
Four Dogs
 
Online Poker at: Full Tilt
What are my pot odds?
  #14
19th October 2006, 1:36 AM
KerouacsDog
 
Poker at: PS/Ultimatebet/FT
what colour is the carpet?
  #15
19th October 2006, 5:46 PM
Jack Daniels
 
Online Poker at: home.
Game: Da Bears
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbasbestbabe
There are no it depends on this question. The table is evenly balanced chip wise. You just moved to this table. It's to you, you're last, would you call a minimum raise?
I'm in the BB and UTG min raised? So I am truly last to act? Sure, I'll call a minraise.
  #16
21st October 2006, 1:54 AM
mrsnake3695
 
Poker at: pokerstars
Game: Shakira
If it's a small percentage of my stack, say early in a tourney, and there are at least 3 or 4 other players and I cap the betting, then I would call and hope to flop a monster. I love to make people pay for making mini-raises and this is also a good opportunity to show people they can't steal you blind cheaply.

If there is only the mini-raiser in the pot and everyone else folded and it's only villan and you left you could consider a reraise here to try to take the pot down right there. You're cards don't really matter here. With that stupid mini-raise he either has a medicore hand like 10-jack off which should fold to a reraise or he is very strong with AA or KK. At least you will know what you are up against if you reraise.
  #17
21st October 2006, 3:50 AM
JimboJim
 
Online Poker at: PokerStars
Game: hold-em
Nope, wouldnt do it even if I knew the flop would end up being 2-5-7
  #18
21st October 2006, 4:30 AM
OneMoreBust
 
re: Calling a raise when on BB poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimboJim
Nope, wouldnt do it even if I knew the flop would end up being 2-5-7
Care to elaborate?
  #19
21st October 2006, 4:33 AM
OneMoreBust
 
I voted for everything, give me a few more options and I will vote for that too.


Im an advocate for defending your BB, but with small blinds, if he had a weak hand why didnt he just call.. he is UTG so any raise even small has to be treated as a strong hand... (unless you know him/read otherwise)

I would call, and if the flop came low cards, I would bet a pot sized bet, assuming it is just you two heads up.

he could have so many cards it is hard to say, if he re-raises you maybe he has a mid pocket pair, or high pocket pair, or... a draw if there is one

hard to say, but I go with call/raise
  #20
21st October 2006, 5:08 AM
bubbasbestbabe
 
Poker at: fishies.com
Game: winning
The one thing that i find interesting is that even if all is even, chips, stack size, if the blinds are high there seems to be more hesitation to call. kinda strange. What makes the call any different if the BB is 10 or if it's 100 if all is the same at the table.
  #21
21st October 2006, 5:11 AM
JimboJim
 
Online Poker at: PokerStars
Game: hold-em
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneMoreBust
Care to elaborate?
Not really, it's just not a hand I wouldn't play unless I knew that I could bluff everyone out if I had to.
  #22
21st October 2006, 6:07 AM
OneMoreBust
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbasbestbabe
The one thing that i find interesting is that even if all is even, chips, stack size, if the blinds are high there seems to be more hesitation to call. kinda strange. What makes the call any different if the BB is 10 or if it's 100 if all is the same at the table.

Because if blinds are big, and you only have 5 BB's why toss another one away on a weak starting hand?

It isn't unheard of for the final 3 players on a SNG all be shortstacked... everyone has ~ 7k but blinds are 400/800, I wouldnt call the extra 800 down with 5 7
  #23
22nd October 2006, 2:00 AM
mrsnake3695
 
Online Poker at: pokerstars
Game: Shakira
It's not really the size of the blind it's the percentage of your stack the blind is. If it's 10 blind and you have 50 left do you risk one fifth of your stack. If it's 100 blind and you have 200,000 then the call won't hurt you. so it's not the amount but the amount compared to your chip stack that matters.
 



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