Is the burn card accounted for online

#1 5th March 2009, 11:08 PM

Do the online poker sites use the burn card when dealing out cards as is done in live games. The reaon i ask is I have been playing a lot of full ring (10) Limit Omaha H/L and if they do burn cards online the layout of the cards looks something like this

40 cards dealt to players
3 burn cards

This leaves 9 cards that are playable for the hand, 5 for the board and 4 cards that are never seen.

Is that right?

When you think of it that way making ahand in LO8 is tough.

#2 6th March 2009, 12:09 AM

I don't think so.

#3 6th March 2009, 12:34 AM

They don't (there is no reason to) but the total number of cards dealt have zero effect on how hard/easy it is to make a hand. Burn cards are only used in live play to prevent a cheat from marking a card's back and getting an advantage by knowing what card is coming.

#4 6th March 2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

They don't (there is no reason to) but the total number of cards dealt have zero effect on how hard/easy it is to make a hand. Burn cards are only used in live play to prevent a cheat from marking a card's back and getting an advantage by knowing what card is coming.

^ ^ ^ this exactly. Even if they did burn cards, no one knows what cards were burned, so it would have no effect on your remaining cards for a draw.

#5 6th March 2009, 12:43 AM

There are one or two sites that do burn a card. I am struggling now to remember which ones - Everest, I think.

It`s only for show and to increase the impression of realism, though. As Hillbilly says, it makes zero difference in an online game.

#6 6th March 2009, 4:19 AM

It could be possible to test this out in the Stud-type games. Normally if a full ring of 8 players go all the way to 6th street, a community card would be dealt on the table as everyone's 7th card. This accounts for 8*6=48 + 1 community card + 3 burnt cards = 52. But what if 8 players go to 5th street and only 6 players go to 6th street? This would account for 8*5 + 6 = 46 cards. If there are no burnt cards, then the remaining 6 cards can be dealt to each player. However, if 3 cards were burnt, then only the community card could be dealt. Hmm...perhaps I'm thinking too much.

#7 6th March 2009, 6:26 AM

you know thats a good question although I guess it wouldnt make a difference but still they could design it to put out a random card, first but how would we know anyways its all rigged anyhow.

#8 7th March 2009, 5:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

They don't (there is no reason to) but the total number of cards dealt have zero effect on how hard/easy it is to make a hand. Burn cards are only used in live play to prevent a cheat from marking a card's back and getting an advantage by knowing what card is coming.

If I am trying to make a flush or a straight don't I want there to be 12 possible cards coming rather than 9?

#9 7th March 2009, 5:58 PM

WOW. I been playing live poker for 10 years and online for 5 years. And I just realized that online sites I played at don't burn cards. I wonder is it makes a difference?

#10 7th March 2009, 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmixer

If I am trying to make a flush or a straight don't I want there to be 12 possible cards coming rather than 9?

huh? it makes no difrence cause when u count outs u dont count the 12 possible cards but the 47(asuming holdem on the flop) unknown cards left in the deck since there is no way of knowing what cards the other players have.
Your just as likly to hit your flush with or with out burn cards...

#11 7th March 2009, 6:15 PM

Usually with the RNG the game asks for a card when needed--a deck of cards is not assembled. Think of it as all 52 cards are in a pool, when the game needs one it asks for one. 51 are now left ....

If you are computing odds, it is always assumed that the cards you need are still in the pool.

#12 7th March 2009, 6:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmixer

If I am trying to make a flush or a straight don't I want there to be 12 possible cards coming rather than 9?

There *are* 12 cards coming regardless of if there is a burn or not.

Why does it matter if the card you need ends up in the burn pile or simply stays in the deck? Either way you don't get dealt it. If there weren't a burn pile, those cards in the burn pile would simply be floating in the deck not dealt.
Burning, regardless of live or online, makes absolutely zero difference in the probabilities or chances of making or not making a hand.

And fwiw, programming in online software to actually burn a card is totally pointless really. The entire point of burning a card is so to eliminate cheating in a live game (such as marked cards).

#13 7th March 2009, 6:43 PM

I love this question even though I don't think it matters. To me it's like all the cards on the table. You don't know if the card you need is already out there or been burned, but you play as though you still have a chance. I agree the stud games should tell the story.

#14 7th March 2009, 8:21 PM

Thanks all for clearing that up for me. It makes more sense now.

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