After the scandal do you trust Absolute and Ultimate?

#1 3rd January 2010, 3:06 AM

i just couldn't see myself giving my personal information and playing on tables where it was so shady that a player would have won that much money and not been flagged by the company.

#2 3rd January 2010, 3:12 AM

That was a couple years ago and was not the site. They are trustworthy now.

#3 3rd January 2010, 3:46 AM

I believe they are trustworthy now. I joined the site in November, but just didn't like it and moved on. I was hesitant at first, but I saw Annie Duke do an interview and how she trusts them. I know they are paying her to be part of their team, but I respect Annie so I thought I'd try the site.

#4 3rd January 2010, 4:00 AM

I've been going back and forth on this matter. I've won some freeroll money and have turned it into a decent bankroll there. But, without a deposit, I am limited to what I can do on the site.

I have to believe that they are keeping some of the regulars satisfied, because otherwise someone here would be posting how they got screwed somehow. But, I notice that I hardly ever see any high rollers playing at the big money tables. I'm no expert on the background dealings of poker sites, but I imagine that poker sites make more money of high rollers than all the little fish combined. How long does a poker site want to run if they are not making lots of money doing it?

#5 3rd January 2010, 4:08 AM

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Originally Posted by froghump

i just couldn't see myself giving my personal information and playing on tables where it was so shady that a player would have won that much money and not been flagged by the company.

Not sure what u guys are talking about. I had heard some minor squawking about some insiders hacking peoples hole cards soemwhere but didn't know any details.

What happened?

#6 3rd January 2010, 4:15 AM

You should prob google ub superuser. I know a little of it, dont care about the small details. Ex employee, turned superuser had a hack and could see everyone's hole cards.
UB was not in on it and I am sure has taken measures to ensure it never happens again.

#7 3rd January 2010, 5:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Juniorsdaddy

I have to believe that they are keeping some of the regulars satisfied, because otherwise someone here would be posting how they got screwed somehow. But, I notice that I hardly ever see any high rollers playing at the big money tables. I'm no expert on the background dealings of poker sites, but I imagine that poker sites make more money of high rollers than all the little fish combined. How long does a poker site want to run if they are not making lots of money doing it?

I am pretty sure the smaller stakes make more money because there is a much greater rake/hand ratio as the stakes get smaller.
Plus, there is many, many more micro players than nosebleeders.

#8 4th January 2010, 1:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyfive

I am pretty sure the smaller stakes make more money because there is a much greater rake/hand ratio as the stakes get smaller.
Plus, there is many, many more micro players than nosebleeders.

I agree that there are many, many more micro players than nosebleeders. However, I also notice that UB's comp system, as well as everyone else's, seems to cater to high rollers. It would take an awful lot of grinding to save up for that LCD TV.

#9 4th January 2010, 2:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pbland

I believe they are trustworthy now. I joined the site in November, but just didn't like it and moved on. I was hesitant at first, but I saw Annie Duke do an interview and how she trusts them. I know they are paying her to be part of their team, but I respect Annie so I thought I'd try the site.

I like Annie Duke, too, but you hit the nail on the head. A celebrity endorsement is a business deal. For irrational reasons we trust and like celebrities, who are, after all, just pretty faces we don't know. The say they like something (because they are paid to) and we believe that matters.

And to answer the question, no, I'll never play on those sites. All the red flags that normal users saw, the site should have seen. Massive fail, IMO. Game over.

RF

#10 4th January 2010, 3:22 AM

It was a high up in the company who hacked into the Absolute site and he could see the other players cards, he's been taken care of now so the site should be fine now. Never heard what happened at UB so could someone give a quick update.

#11 4th January 2010, 3:26 AM

yes it was a scandle but been playing there seems fine now ok now for withdrawls also

#12 4th January 2010, 3:30 AM

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Originally Posted by froghump

i just couldn't see myself giving my personal information and playing on tables where it was so shady that a player would have won that much money and not been flagged by the company.

This is sooooooo old news & things have changed considerably since then (a couple times over).
Question: would Joe Sebok make a career move to go & represent a potentially corrupt/scandalous site?

#13 4th January 2010, 6:07 PM

You have to remember that the Kahnawake gaming commission hid the names of the perpetrators to protect the site from more scandal so to say the site was not involved is hopeful at best.Also there was superuser account on both absolute and ultimatebet and they are owned by the same people so use your imagination.

#14 4th January 2010, 6:48 PM

I think it's kind of like when a restaurant gets a "B" rating. Its probably the best time to go eat there because they are going above and beyond to make it better and get away from the stigma and grade.

I too believe it's probably safest now after the scandel than it ever has been.

#15 4th January 2010, 6:52 PM

Whether or not it's safe I don't play there. It's not a safety issue for me but an ethical issue. They should be out of business imo and nobody should give them their rake money.

If I went to a restaurant and the chef pooped in my food, I would never return there. It doesn't matter if that particular chef was fired or not.

#16 5th January 2010, 12:50 AM

I don't play on either of those sites even though I used to see what both of them were like. I might consider start playing on UB, but for now im satisfied playing on pokerstars and full tilt.

#17 5th January 2010, 1:27 AM

I also trust Ultimate Bet. Mostly because Phil Hellmuth is the face of that poker room and it would be bad for his rep if they scammed people.

#18 5th January 2010, 2:02 AM

I would like to chime in here about the Absolute Scandal. I went to college and graduated with the father of one of the guys who was accused in the scandal. I know his son who was a Vice President of Absolute at the time of the scandal. He was not involved.

What happened was another of my friends son who was also an executive with Absolute had a back door built into the programming. He used this back door to see everyone elses hole cards during a million dollar tourney.

Anyway, like someone else noted the company has been sold. The new Absolute Poker is an ok poker community. I have and do play on the site some but do not like it as much as some others.

If you want serious details, Google, Absolute Poker Scandal.

#19 5th January 2010, 6:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Intense

I also trust Ultimate Bet. Mostly because Phil Hellmuth is the face of that poker room and it would be bad for his rep if they scammed people.

This is not a good reason imo. A face on a site, particularly a face associated with so much negative energy at the poker table, is not a reason to blindly trust them.

#20 5th January 2010, 8:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy

You should prob google Ultimatebet superuser. I know a little of it, dont care about the small details. Ex employee, turned superuser had a hack and could see everyone's hole cards.
Ultimatebet was not in on it and I am sure has taken measures to ensure it never happens again.

stupid person if I were to do that I would atleast give some of my opponents a bone once and a while not saying i condone cheating or anything. Plus i hate ultimate bet they have the worst promotion and they charge you for checks and echecks etc etc.

#21 5th January 2010, 8:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Velutha

Whether or not it's safe I don't play there. It's not a safety issue for me but an ethical issue. They should be out of business imo and nobody should give them their rake money.

If I went to a restaurant and the chef pooped in my food, I would never return there. It doesn't matter if that particular chef was fired or not.

lmao.

#22 16th February 2010, 7:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Velutha

If I went to a restaurant and the chef pooped in my food, I would never return there. It doesn't matter if that particular chef was fired or not.

This made me LOL.

#23 16th February 2010, 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AUPhoenix

I would like to chime in here about the Absolute Scandal. I went to college and graduated with the father of one of the guys who was accused in the scandal. I know his son who was a Vice President of Absolute at the time of the scandal. He was not involved.

What happened was another of my friends son who was also an executive with Absolute had a back door built into the programming. He used this back door to see everyone elses hole cards during a million dollar tourney.

Anyway, like someone else noted the company has been sold. The new Absolute Poker is an ok poker community. I have and do play on the site some but do not like it as much as some others.

If you want serious details, Google, Absolute Poker Scandal.

It was a lot more than just a million dollar tourney. There were actually dozens of "super user" accounts and hundreds of players from Absolute and U.B. that were victims of the scandal. Many of the super users were playing medium - high stakes cash game tables. There was a list of these "super user" accounts published on another well known forum. Some of the victims have been reimbursed by UB/AP but many still have not...and many others do not even know they were scammed.

The jury is still out on U.B/AP. There is an entire thread on another forum debating this entire issue - it's hundreds of pages long. UB/AP has yet to give a clear and concise explanation for the incident, they seem to be brushing it under the table and are not willing to give out names/specifics. Seebok has vowed to get to the bottom of it but it looks as if he's run into a few walls as well.

#24 16th February 2010, 9:10 PM

All i can say, REGULATION is needed

#25 17th February 2010, 2:34 PM

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Originally Posted by moeraj

You have to remember that the Kahnawake gaming commission hid the names of the perpetrators to protect the site from more scandal so to say the site was not involved is hopeful at best.Also there was superuser account on both absolute and ultimatebet and they are owned by the same people so use your imagination.

Dude...Do you have ANY clue what the hell you are talking about? Or do you like to come to sites to post some jargon, throwing shit at a wall hoping to find something that sticks? Seriously, your facts are flawed here.

You your research. Both scandals happened a couple of years back, prior to their merge to the same gaming network, and prior to the buyouts that brought them under the same management. Both scandals happened when these sites were seperate entities and operating under different management. There is no reason to believe that there have been additional issues since the merge. There are none that i'm aware of. So what is your beef? Did you take a bad beat, and now think online poker is rigged. Let me guess, you play at Full Tilt, where Isuldir was the victim of collusion for a shit ton of money, with no plan of reimbursement from the site or the players. Yet, that's not even a blip on anyone radar. Why? I don't know. But this the UB/Absolute scandals were a long time ago, and in the absence of anything new to report, should be dropped. If you don't like the site, don't play.

#26 17th February 2010, 4:58 PM

I play all the time on UB. It has actually become my favorite site. It takes some time, but their rewards are better than any I've seen on any site. I also like their software now. Hated the old one, but now has many features I think are great.

With the new owners I think the site can be trusted. There's to much money to lose not to make it safe. One more scandal and I think they would be done for sure. They also now have independent auditing to ensure security.

As was stated earlier in this thread Joe Sebok came on board to make sure things turn around and stay safe. I know they get paid a lot of money, but I just can't see Sebok, Hellmuth, and Duke endorsing a crooked site.

#27 17th February 2010, 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Velutha

If I went to a restaurant and the chef pooped in my food, I would never return there. It doesn't matter if that particular chef was fired or not.

You could have used food poisoning, undercooked chicken, something else. But, you just had to go with the poop in the food. (LOL) Chef would at least be smart enough to hide it, possibly in a soup?

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Originally Posted by AceZWylD

Dude...Do you have ANY clue what the hell you are talking about? Or do you like to come to sites to post some jargon, throwing shit at a wall hoping to find something that sticks? Seriously, your facts are flawed here.

You your research. Both scandals happened a couple of years back, prior to their merge to the same gaming network, and prior to the buyouts that brought them under the same management. Both scandals happened when these sites were seperate entities and operating under different management. There is no reason to believe that there have been additional issues since the merge. There are none that i'm aware of. So what is your beef? Did you take a bad beat, and now think online poker is rigged. Let me guess, you play at Full Tilt, where Isuldir was the victim of collusion for a shit ton of money, with no plan of reimbursement from the site or the players. Yet, that's not even a blip on anyone radar. Why? I don't know. But this the Ultimatebet/Absolute scandals were a long time ago, and in the absence of anything new to report, should be dropped. If you don't like the site, don't play.

+1 I dislike topics where OP is "outdated". Can OP create a happy go lucky thread instead of several "PT3 and HEM should be illegal", "Ub and Absolute Scandal" from two years ago?

#28 17th February 2010, 5:08 PM

I withdrew over a grand last year from a BR that started with a P2P xfer and some freeroll wins.

I too was a bit hesitant about giving them my info and had to deposit $50 to cement our relationship, but all that faded away when I got the checks.

I trust UB.

#29 17th February 2010, 5:24 PM

I think it is you who doesn't understand the facts. This new management team is part of the cover up and will never release those details because it would incriminate them. You should read more about it I think. There is evidence that they are still covering this up and you need to get your facts straight before you guess at my reasons for saying what I did.As long as you and others like you accept this kind of behavior nothing will change.There is a good link in this forum to a thread from another forum. You can start reading there and maybe it will open your eyes a bit..

#30 17th February 2010, 5:30 PM

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Originally Posted by moeraj

I think it is you who doesn't understand the facts. This new management team is part of the cover up and will never release those details because it would incriminate them. You should read more about it I think. There is evidence that they are still covering this up and you need to get your facts straight before you guess at my reasons for saying what I did.As long as you and others like you accept this kind of behavior nothing will change.There is a good link in this forum to a thread from another forum. You can start reading there and maybe it will open your eyes a bit.

Honestly, many of us don't care. I'll be 100% up front with you. Your threads all seem to have "conspiracy theories" in them. You want to ban PT3 and HEM which are here for life and IMO is a vital necessity to make any kind of a profit playing online. This issue is an old dead topic. Trash talking about a poker room is really going to get you no where, you're just spewing, and putting together words in sentences that will eventually be forgotten.

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#31 17th February 2010, 5:59 PM

I understand many of you don't care and that is what I find so bothersome. Of course i won't play there. As far as my posts being about conspiracy theories it is simply not true. The only unpopular posts I have made is in the rigged thread and I simply state in there that looking at how often starting hands come out proves nothing. I have also commented regarding the logic being stated that poker sites make so much money why cheat? I would be interested to have you direct me to a thread I made that would be considered a conspiracy theories.The facts about ub is not theory.As far as poker tracking devices,not all of us want to inundate ourselves with statistics on other players and would prefer an even playing field. Don't be so sure they're here to stay because some people are turned off by the unfair advantage these programs create and poker sites are realizing this,as well as sharkscope type of sights.

#32 17th February 2010, 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moeraj

This new management team is part of the cover up

eNOUGH sAID.

oOPS cAPSLOCK iS oN.

#33 17th February 2010, 6:27 PM

All my threads are conspiracy theories and that's what you came up with? ok I can live with that statement.There is documented proof that the cheating accounts have gone through some name changes after new management took over. Also every list they came up with had user names missing which were directly linked to the cheating accounts.Again , this is not theory but is fact.Also new management has not released any names of the cheaters so they are involved in the cover up.

#34 17th February 2010, 6:33 PM

We're you directly affected by POTRIPPER? If not, not a big deal, all the poker sites have tons of money and could work their way out of any lawsuit. Starting a Chinese fire drill after the fact was totally pointless.

BTW, I'm in the Ub freeroll it starts in 1 hour and 27 minutes...

#35 19th February 2010, 3:49 PM

Not sure what a Chinese fire drill is but it sounds funny so I'll take it as a joke. Sorry but I won't be joining you in your freeroll. I hate big freerolls. We can call a truce if you want to but I won't apologize for for my opinions or for anything Chinese.

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